Odaily Editorial Team Tea Party (December 17)

marsbitPublished on 2025-12-17Last updated on 2025-12-17

Abstract

"Odaily Editorial Tea Party (Dec 17): Editors share crypto market insights and personal strategies. Asher is buying SOL, ADA, and ENA, expecting a rebound, while shorting overvalued tokens like PIPPIN and BEAT. Wenser notes asymmetric opportunities in crypto stocks and highlights the growth potential of prediction markets like Kalshi. Several editors express caution, with Dingle holding BTC and ETH, and Bcxiongdi advising reduced trading due to low liquidity. Moni observes the absence of a seasonal "Santa rally" and warns of potential JPY rate hike impacts. Suzz explores shorting overvalued "dump projects," while Azuma shares reports favoring application-layer investments over infrastructure. Ethan mentions rumors of Chinese exchange operators relocating overseas. Golem discusses challenges in user growth, citing smartphone pre-installation attempts. Overall, sentiment is mixed: some see buying opportunities, while others advocate caution amid market uncertainty."

This is an "informal" column from within the Odaily editorial team. The author shares immediate thoughts and different perspectives on industry news, data, hot events, and their nuances; explores investment ideas and opportunity hypotheses still under verification—they may not be direct wealth codes, but could simply be the questions themselves; shares observations gained from interactions with industry practitioners; and materials that have genuinely enhanced our understanding, whether from internal or external sources.

The content of this column is based on the real investment and observation experiences of the Odaily editorial team members. It does not accept any form of commercial advertising, nor does it constitute investment advice (after all, we are equally experienced in losing money). Its purpose is only to broaden perspectives and supplement information sources, not to create consensus. Welcome to join the Odaily community (Telegram discussion group, X official account) to exchange ideas, question, and banter together.

Asher(X:@Asher_ 0210 )

Introduction: Mainly plays interactions + wealth management, occasionally buys Meme (buys but doesn't like to sell), bad at contracts but likes to participate

Content: The crypto fear and greed index dropped to 11 yesterday. Still believe there will be a rebound, have started bottom-fishing SOL, ADA, ENA (also opened small contract positions). PIPPIN, BEAT simply seem too overbought, opened short positions this morning (will show the slip if profitable next issue).

For friends playing contracts, recommend trading on leading on-chain contract platforms to bet on token airdrops. Among them, Lighter is already on Coinbase's listing plan, now is the final stage to earn points; StandX has launched mainnet trading, can start farming too; Aster S4 season is ongoing.

Recent main operations are still interacting with early popular projects. Wrote a summary and reflection on airdrop farming in 2025 last week, recommended reading: 《2025 Airdrop Survival Rules: Past Golden Opportunities, Now Relying on These Two Trump Cards》.

Wenser(X:@wenser2010)

Introduction: Tea-serving junior, crypto soy sauce party member, media observer

Shares:

  • Macro: US stocks hit new highs but crypto concept stocks hit new yearly lows. The contrast between hot and cold reveals more asymmetric opportunities. Crypto-native people should reversely harvest the stock market through stock tokenization trading platforms. Altcoins within the circle will continue to bleed, but Meme stocks like Gamestop might have a new wave of hype.
  • Investment Reference: Woodie's Ark fund is still buying the dip, including Coinbase, Circle, Bitmine. Personally think there's still a rebound opportunity.
  • Prediction Markets: Kalshi launched the Combo function. I think this is an important node for prediction markets to grow independently from the crypto-native field into a new emerging sector. This also means: (1) Prediction markets support automated combination operations; (2) Prediction markets and traditional financial market derivatives are more closely integrated. In 5 to 8 years (or even shorter), it will quickly grow into a trillion-scale sector. Most importantly, the development of prediction markets and platform updates are also events to bet on, so the two achieve a kind of "self-referential state". "Predicting prediction market platforms" might become a separate category. In a way, everything is predictable and everyone is a product manager converge here. Worth looking forward to. After all, betting implies prizes provided by the counterparty.

  • New Product: "Life K-line", originally a test product by @0xsakura666 within the circle, later反响不错 so became systematized into a project (https://www.lifekline.cn/). Many feedback that the AI fortune-telling results are very close to their reality. I think this is also a major trend, especially after AI combines with stablecoins, x402 protocol, and EIP 8004. Stablecoin payments next year are very much worth looking forward to. Circle is still worth betting on, just like Coinbase back in the day (the two are already利益勾连).

Finally, recommend an article in the人物志 genre, about an asset manager and the Kondratiev wave: 《世间再无周金涛》by 张婕妤·远川

Nanzhi(X:@Assassin_Malvo)

Introduction: Diamond-handed Meme holder who suffered heavy blows, restarting

Content: 1. Fully researching Polymarket copy trading, part-time farming Opinion. 2. Prediction markets are increasing, already beyond tracking capacity. Talked with a certain big厂, aggregation markets and full-data platforms for prediction markets are on the way (Polymarket official ones are too poor). 3. Created a Human VS AI project, featuring Nanzhi's selected copy traders vs the latest set of AI models, launching soon.

Dingdang(X:@XiaMiPP)

Introduction: Pure "dumb money"

Content: I personally always tend to go long BTC, ETH or some quality altcoins. Recently, besides buying ZEC, I don't dare touch other altcoins easily. Bitcoin is also特别颠簸. The harder I try, the more I lose.

I always feel the current trend is a bit like the pullback phase at the top of the 2021 bull market. If it really repeats, then now might be the early bear market. But on the other hand, we are now entering a rate-cutting cycle, macro-wise there seems to be no basis for a deep bear. Also, top DAT companies are recently buying crypto assets aggressively, do they know some major positive news we don't know or haven't seen yet? Anyway, the market is too hard to play now. I'll just hold my chips tight, already behaving.

Ethan(X:@ethanzhang_web3 )

Introduction: Casual chat

Content: The only major event last week might be Fed Chair Powell announcing rate cuts. Wrote about the行情, the core institutional view is short-term market activity decline, possible sustained "阴跌" (sidelong decline) towards year-end, limited momentum for bull market restart. Whether long-term rate cuts continue still depends on weak wage growth or employment data. If data remains ugly, rate cuts might be more aggressive, but it's still better not to blindly bottom-fish now.

Recently talked to people in the industry,也算小道消息, affected by this year's policy tightening again, it's highly likely that many agents in Shenzhen previously providing operational maintenance for exchanges will全部转移到海外 (completely move overseas) before year-end. Take it as gossip, no way to verify.

Those playing meme can check out this episode (guests: Cupsey & Jack Duval), remember Cupsey seems to be on a show for the first time? There are quite a few stories about them making money inside.

golem(X:@web3_golem):

Introduction: golem's whimsical thoughts

Content: Last week's news about sei announcing pre-installed APP on overseas version Xiaomi phones also attracted much attention. But after saying it, sei got心虚, not only clarified but also contacted major Chinese media to delete related news. Immediately within Odaily we discussed that actually exchanges are the crypto applications that should most cooperate with phone manufacturers for pre-installation.

So, I asked a few exchange people. According to informed sources, actually Binance cooperated with overseas Xiaomi before sei, but due to Xiaomi's restrictions it only exists in some markets, itself not something worth marketing. And this pre-installation isn't automatically downloaded to the phone upon startup, but pops up a guide page, users have full choice, similar to a push installation. The effectiveness can be imagined.

But everyone's凑热闹 attitude towards pre-installation also shows that growth is still the biggest problem in Web3. If a project can break the circle, regardless of whether it's directly related to oneself, people get颅内高潮 (intracranial orgasm).

Moni(X:@mich73692)

Introduction: Doesn't trade altcoins, only watches Bitcoin

Content: The market trend of the past week made me more convinced of one thing: The cryptocurrency market is systematically saying goodbye to the "Santa Rally" narrative—a collective rise based on a time node.

Previously thought there would be a drop in November, then a rebound in December, especially a significant rise 1-2 weeks before Christmas, because many US-listed companies have incorporated Bitcoin into their treasuries. Behind listed companies is Wall Street, plus considering human nature, Wall Street would definitely want to搏一搏 (gamble) for year-end bonuses. But was quickly "slapped in the face" by reality. Even though Strategy announced buying over 20,000 BTC in the past two weeks, it still couldn't reverse the price decline. Predictions from multiple Wall Street banks on Bitcoin price were basically unreliable, felt like tricking retail into entering, e.g., JPMorgan predicting $170k, Bernstein predicting $200k, Standard Chartered predicting $100k.

Another thing to watch is the Friday Yen rate hike. The Yen, as a carry trade currency, if it hikes rates, will cause panic among investors who previously borrowed Yen at "zero interest". These investors typically borrow Yen to buy other interest-bearing currencies (like USD) and risk assets (like gold, Bitcoin). If rates rise, meaning repayment costs increase, investors will choose to sell risk assets, causing further Bitcoin price decline.

Among altcoins, SOL had many positive news recently (probably due to Breakpoint conference), e.g., Visa opening USDC settlement services to US banks via Solana, Invesco and Galaxy合作推出的质押型 Solana ETP (co-launched staking Solana ETP), Charles Schwab announcing support for purchasing Solana and Micro Solana futures products. But due to the overall poor performance of the market, SOL's price didn't see much breakthrough.

Suzz(X:@uu01194636)

Introduction: Adheres to long-termism, shorts shitcoins

Content: Too many projects in the crypto market, mixed quality. My core observation: A significant portion of new projects have the real purpose of dumping tokens, not long-term building. This is an inherent risk under irrational market exuberance, and also my opportunity. My idea is to short these overvalued, destined-to-retreat "dump projects", thus turning risk into profit. The difficulty of the shorting strategy lies in the extreme volatility of cryptocurrencies. Cannot get "squeezed" or "liquidated" because of a temporary rebound.

Current execution direction being explored: How to capture downside profit while, through strict risk control, prevent being liquidated by short-term market noise or extreme rebounds. Researching a set of entry and stop-loss mechanisms that don't rely on high leverage, can tolerate certain fluctuations, and have extremely high fault tolerance. Trying to establish an evaluation system to accurately identify those "born to dump" projects from tokenomics, unlock schedules, and fund flows.

Bcxiongdi(X:@bcxiongdi )

Introduction: Mainly plays on-chain PvP

Content: On-chain liquidity is dropping rapidly. PvP now means competing for meat with smarter and more diligent people. For most people, keeping hands still is the best at this time, otherwise很容易成为上一层级的退出流动性 (easily become the exit liquidity for the upper tier). The worse the market, the more不幸 (unfortunate) it is to折腾 (stir). Clearly know you are not diamond hands, then honestly wait for the market to improve before PvPing.

Long-term看好 (bullish on) the Meme sector. When liquidity is good, there can still be good money-making opportunities, unlike other sectors that can really die彻底 (completely). Can observe more the operations of高手地址 (expert addresses) that are still making money now. Copy first, then slowly form your own style. Best to watch more, act less.

Azuma(X:@azuma_eth)

Introduction: Noob, learning more

Content: Share some recent content I'm watching and find good:

1. "Long application layer, short infrastructure"

Major VCs are陆续发布 (successively releasing) year-end reports or next-year expectations. Delphi Digital and Moonrock Capital, etc., gave the logic of "Long application layer, short infrastructure" — "Layer1 valuation premium is disappearing, market demand for homogeneous infrastructure is weakening"; "Value will归于 (return to) applications that aggregate users on a large scale"; "The ultimate winners won't be those building the deepest infrastructure, but those controlling user identity, user traffic, capital flow, and daily interaction interfaces."

Delphi Digital full report: https://members.delphidigital.io/reports/the-year-ahead-for-apps-2026?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=Apps#robinhood-ee30

2. "Token vs Equity"

After Circle acquired the Axelar team but abandoned the token, the "Token vs Equity" issue heated up again. Regarding the positioning, value, and legal rights of tokens in financing structures, Dragonfly's这篇科普 (this popular science article) is probably the most detailed analysis on the current market. https://writing.dragonfly.xyz/post/read-the-fine-print-token-compensation

3. Pantera Capital launched a new podcast节目 (program) Stateful. The first episode discussed "Robinhood vs Coinbase", "Stablecoin payment chains", etc. Interested can check: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIh8KZOHWBw&t=1s

4. Those interested in量化 (quantitative trading) can check out this podcast by quant trading大佬 (big shot) Annanay Kapila (formerly worked at Tower Research and Flow Traders). Content has some ads, but also quite a lot of干货 (dry goods): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQlR_fxrThM&t=1s

5. Some good泛 AI (pan-AI) content.

Anthropic's two experts Barry Zhang, Mahesh Murag's podcast on abandoning the Agents route, changing to the Skills plan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEvIs9y1 Uog (Note: URL seems malformed in original, kept as is)

How far has AI's impact on programmers' work gone? Anthropic's internal survey: https://www.anthropic.com/research/how-ai-is-transforming-work-at-anthropic?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

Related Questions

QWhat is the main purpose of the Odaily Editorial Board's 'Tea Talk' column?

AThe purpose is to share informal, real-time thoughts and diverse perspectives on industry news, data, and hot topics; explore unverified investment ideas and opportunity hypotheses; share observations from interactions with industry practitioners; and share materials that genuinely enhance their understanding. It aims to expand perspectives and supplement information sources, not to create consensus or provide investment advice.

QAccording to Asher, which specific cryptocurrencies did he start buying as a 'bargain hunt'?

AAsher started buying SOL, ADA, and ENA as a bargain hunt, believing there would be a market rebound.

QWhat significant new feature did the prediction market Kalshi launch, and why does Wenser believe it's important?

AKalshi launched a 'Combo' feature. Wenser believes it's a significant node for prediction markets to grow independently from the crypto-native field into a new trillion-scale sector because it supports automated combination operations and tighter integration with traditional financial derivatives, creating a self-referential state where 'predicting the prediction market' becomes possible.

QWhat is the core investment strategy proposed by Suzz in the current crypto market?

ASuzz's core strategy is to short overvalued 'dump projects'—new projects whose real purpose is to dump their tokens rather than build for the long term—thereby turning risk into profit. The challenge is managing extreme volatility to avoid being liquidated by short-term market noise or sharp rebounds.

QWhat major trend in crypto investment is highlighted by Azuma from recent VC reports like Delphi Digital and Moonrock Capital?

AThe major trend highlighted is 'Long the application layer, short the infrastructure.' This logic suggests that Layer 1 valuation premiums are disappearing, market demand for homogeneous infrastructure is weakening, and value will ultimately accrue to applications that aggregate large numbers of users, control user identity, traffic, capital flow, and daily interaction interfaces.

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Easy Integration with External APIs: Its versatility and compatibility with various AI platforms ensure that Agent S can fit seamlessly into existing technological ecosystems, making it an appealing choice for developers and organisations. These functionalities collectively contribute to Agent S's unique position within the crypto space, as it automates complex, multi-step tasks with minimal human intervention. As the project evolves, its potential applications in Web3 could redefine how digital interactions unfold. Timeline of Agent S The development and milestones of Agent S can be encapsulated in a timeline that highlights its significant events: September 27, 2024: The concept of Agent S was launched in a comprehensive research paper titled “An Open Agentic Framework that Uses Computers Like a Human,” showcasing the groundwork for the project. October 10, 2024: The research paper was made publicly available on arXiv, offering an in-depth exploration of the framework and its performance evaluation based on the OSWorld benchmark. October 12, 2024: A video presentation was released, providing a visual insight into the capabilities and features of Agent S, further engaging potential users and investors. These markers in the timeline not only illustrate the progress of Agent S but also indicate its commitment to transparency and community engagement. Key Points About Agent S As the Agent S framework continues to evolve, several key attributes stand out, underscoring its innovative nature and potential: Innovative Framework: Designed to provide an intuitive use of computers akin to human interaction, Agent S brings a novel approach to task automation. Autonomous Interaction: The ability to interact autonomously with computers through GUI signifies a leap towards more intelligent and efficient computing solutions. Complex Task Automation: With its robust methodology, it can automate complex, multi-step tasks, making processes faster and less error-prone. Continuous Improvement: The learning mechanisms enable Agent S to improve from past experiences, continually enhancing its performance and efficacy. Versatility: Its adaptability across different operating environments like OSWorld and WindowsAgentArena ensures that it can serve a broad range of applications. As Agent S positions itself in the Web3 and crypto landscape, its potential to enhance interaction capabilities and automate processes signifies a significant advancement in AI technologies. Through its innovative framework, Agent S exemplifies the future of digital interactions, promising a more seamless and efficient experience for users across various industries. Conclusion Agent S represents a bold leap forward in the marriage of AI and Web3, with the capacity to redefine how we interact with technology. While still in its early stages, the possibilities for its application are vast and compelling. Through its comprehensive framework addressing critical challenges, Agent S aims to bring autonomous interactions to the forefront of the digital experience. As we move deeper into the realms of cryptocurrency and decentralisation, projects like Agent S will undoubtedly play a crucial role in shaping the future of technology and human-computer collaboration.

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