对话比特币元老 Jack Mallers:美元危机、比特币储值与 21 Capital

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本文整理自 Jack Mallers 与主持人 David Lin、Bonnie Chang 的视频访谈。Jack Mallers 是比特币支付平台 Strike创始人和投资公司 21 Capital 的联合创始人兼首席执行官,长期致力于推动比特币在全球支付与资本市场中的实际应用。

在访谈中,Jack 深入探讨了比特币作为全球储值工具的逻辑基础,解析了“每股比特币(BPS)”与“比特币收益率(BRR)”等全新指标,并指出 21 Capital 与传统 ETF 的本质区别。他还分享了 Strike 在不同国家如何根据本地需求灵活构建产品,以及比特币制度化背后的政治与宏观背景。

以下内容为访谈的整理与编译。

TL;DR:

  1. 货币本质是储存与交换劳动的工具,比特币是当前最优的储值选择。
  2. 在债务与赤字压力下,比特币作为稀缺资产的价值愈加凸显。
  3. 美元输出模式正在瓦解,比特币在全球储值体系中的地位日益凸显。
  4. 波动是获取回报的前提。
  5. 风险并不等于波动,真正的风险是系统性失败。
  6. 21 Capital 推出“每股比特币(BPS)”和“比特币收益率(BRR)”指标,重构资本市场评价体系。
  7. 与 ETF 不同,21 Capital 通过运营提升投资者比特币敞口,而非静态持有。
  8. 比特币规则由全球节点共识决定,无法被政府或机构篡改。
  9. 比特币不是政治押注,而是建立在数学与自由之上的金融系统。
  10. 真正的风险不是波动,而是中心化、信任对手方的系统性失败。

比特币的价值逻辑与全球货币格局

Bonnie:你认为美元购买力持续下滑、美国被动削弱货币。这种趋势会否自然推动全球转向比特币,还是需要金融危机或战争等重大事件促成转变?

Jack:货币和其他商品一样,在自由市场中竞争存在优劣。但与消费品不同,货币的作用是储存和交换人的时间与劳动。即使没有危机,人们也会自然选择最优的储值工具。比特币在这方面具备显著优势。

Bonnie :你提到比特币有 400 到 500 倍的增长潜力,这一估算依据是什么?

Jack :我并非预测价格,而是分析比特币面对的市场规模。全球资产总值约 900 万亿美元,其中约一半用于储值。也就是说,人类正寻找储存 400 至 500 万亿美元价值的工具。比特币是当前最具潜力的储值载体,既是技术进步的产物,也是价值存储方式的革新。相比之下,全球股市仅约 150 万亿美元,把比特币与股票或以太坊类比,严重低估了它的潜力和定位。

David :特朗普上任后比特币价格未见上涨,令部分投资者失望。你对此感到意外吗?

Jack :我并不意外,因为市场预期错误。他们以为特朗普上任会带来流动性扩张,实际情况却是收紧。理解当前局势需回溯二战后,美国凭借黄金储备成为全球储备货币发行国,通过输出美元、进口商品建立起“印纸换实物”的体系,并逐步从制造业转向金融主导。这一结构如今已难为继。特朗普重提制造业和财政平衡,正是回应债务和结构性赤字问题。在这种背景下,比特币作为稀缺资产的价值愈发突出。

David :有人认为比特币与股市高度相关,也有人认为其走势更受全球 M2 货币供应影响。你怎么看?

Jack :我更认可比特币与全球 M2 关系密切。在美元贬值背景下,大多数资产价格上涨,表面相关性实为共同受货币政策驱动。比特币是监测法币流动性的敏感指标,它结合了技术属性与对抗货币超发的能力。例如,中国的贸易顺差资金流入美股和房地产,推高资产价格,加剧泡沫和贫富差距。一旦这类资本不再流入美股,比特币将脱离股市走势,展现其独立价值。它不依赖盈利或估值,而是回归真实需求和稀缺性。

Bonnie :如果比特币成为主流储值工具,它将如何影响人力资本、股票和房地产的估值?

Jack :比特币的工作量证明机制使其成为“能量货币”,必须通过时间与能源创造,具备稀缺性与抗通胀能力。当人们能够储蓄和规划未来,社会会更稳定。而货币越难以被制造,社会越能承受不确定性。

Bonnie :你几乎不持有美元,这是如何实现的?

Jack :我不持有长期贬值的资产,只保留表现最好的。我通过 Strike 以比特币收薪、贷款和支付账单,既保留资产,又满足流动性需求。这样的服务正让比特币变得更实用。

David :Peter Schiff 认为比特币没有内在价值,且波动大就是高风险。你如何回应这种观点?

Jack :波动是获取回报的前提。夏普比率衡量的是波动带来的收益,如果高波动伴随高回报,那就是值得的。风险并不等于波动,真正的风险是系统性失败。而比特币基于数学运行,不依赖对手方,本质上反而更低风险。

Bonnie :对普通人而言,比特币比银行账户更难管理,如何解决私钥遗失或被黑的担忧?

Jack :比特币的独特之处在于使用自由。你可以自行保管私钥,也可以选择托管。

虽然我鼓励用户增强主权意识,但关键在于它提供了选择权。这种完全掌控资产的能力,在其他金融体系中是没有的。

David :过去十年,比特币的夏普比率优于多数资产。为何机构配置仍然偏低?

Jack :机构配置比特币的过程是缓慢的,但趋势向上。

人们常高估短期变化,低估长期影响。尽管机构结构复杂,但我已看到资本市场对比特币的需求持续上升,配置比例将不断提高。

Bonnie :你们正在开发比特币相关产品,对吗?

Jack :是的。当前市场中缺乏具备机构实力的比特币代表,我们希望以蓝筹资质和规模进入。我们不仅持有数十亿美元的比特币,还有强大的资本与华尔街资源,更重要的是,我们专注于构建产品,而非单纯囤币。作为比特币协议的参与者,我们了解技术与增长机会,目标是在技术与资本市场之间建立桥梁,推动“每股比特币”的增长。

21 Capital:打造“每股比特币”的增长模型

Bonnie :接下来有什么时间安排或计划可以分享?

Jack :我们正推进与 Cantor Equity Partners 的 SPAC 合并上市,尚在审批中。XXI 股票是我们首个产品,我的重点是推进上市流程,并向公众传达我们的业务理念与比特币的价值。

David :大型机构持有大量比特币是否会威胁其去中心化精神?你怎么看?

Jack :比特币的设计决定了持有多少并不影响控制权,这与权益证明机制不同。它是一个无需许可的系统,任何人都可自由参与,无法排除特定持有者。规则面前人人平等,这正是比特币的本质。

David :你们计划将公司公开上市,在交易所挂牌吗?

Jack :是的,我们已申请与 Cantor Equity Partners 合并上市,股票代码为 XXI,目前仍在审批中。

David :作为以比特币为核心的公司,你们会考虑对冲价格波动吗?

Jack :我们不会对冲比特币资产。公司引入“每股比特币(BPS)”和“比特币收益率(BRR)”作为新衡量标准,重在提升单位股所代表的比特币数量。我们长期持有、不卖币,目标是打造一个以比特币为核心的增长型资本市场工具。

注:

  • 每股比特币(BPS):指一家公司每一股股票所代表的比特币数量,用于衡量股东的实际比特币敞口,类似于传统财务中的每股收益(EPS),但以比特币计量。
  • 比特币收益率(BRR):指以比特币计价的增长率,用于衡量公司在不出售比特币的前提下,通过运营提升比特币资产的能力。

David :你提到 BRR 概念,那 21 与比特币 ETF 有何不同?

Jack :投资 21 是投资一家积极运营的公司,目标是提升每股比特币。相比之下,IBIT 等 ETF 是静态敞口,买入和持有的比特币数量不会变化。而 21 通过融资和业务增长不断扩大比特币敞口。我们结合蓝筹资质与初创潜力,致力于让股东随比特币共同成长。

David :你也是 Strike 的 CEO,这两个公司未来有交集吗?

Jack :没有交集,Strike 和 21 是完全独立的。Strike 面向消费者,提供如贷款、交易、托管等服务;21 面向资本市场,专注于比特币投资工具,定位和目标不同。

Strike 的产品策略与全球落地实践

Bonnie :在货币不稳或银行薄弱的国家,Strike 如何开展业务?

Jack :我们按地区定制产品。在美欧等地,支持本地法币与比特币;在拉美和非洲,因法币不稳,用户更偏好 USDT + 比特币组合。我们以用户需求为导向,听他们要什么就做什么,这是我们成功的关键。

David :面对更友好的加密监管环境,你会调整战略吗?

Jack :友好的监管环境有利于创业,我也很高兴能在美国发展。但比特币不依赖任何政治人物,它是去中心化的技术,超越党派和政局。真正有价值的东西不靠谁站台。

David :监管放松后,若银行提供加密服务,你会担心被取代吗?

Jack :我不担心。传统银行缺乏对比特币的理解和产品能力,而我们有。关键是专注自身,把事做到最好。五年前我也被质疑过,但我们坚持下来了。就算哪天 Jamie Dimon(摩根大通董事长兼首席执行官) 成了比特币银行家,我也乐意再来讨论。

不可更改的协议:比特币如何自我守护

Bonnie :如果政府或机构大量持币,有可能联合修改比特币 2100 万枚的上限吗?

Jack :不可能。比特币规则由全球运行节点共同决定,没人能单方面更改。历史上试图修改的人最终只能分叉,结果价值大幅缩水。比特币的中立性和不可更改性是其核心。一旦改变规则,它就失去价值。激励机制也促使参与者维护系统而非破坏,总量上限几乎不可能被修改。

Bonnie :你对比特币的认知有哪些转变?

Jack :起初我把比特币当作 PayPal 的竞争者,后来才意识到它是一种用于存储时间与能量的核心技术。它让我重新理解了货币的意义,以及强硬货币对社会协作和长期发展的价值,也深刻影响了我的财务观和决策方式。

David :你现在还会用比特币买披萨吗?

Jack :不会。我用信用卡消费,再通过 Strike 抵押比特币还款,这样既保留比特币,又满足日常开支。比特币是储蓄工具,美元才是用来花的。

David :如果我用比特币请你吃披萨,你会接受吗?

Jack :不会,我不会用优质货币换取贬值资产。数据显示,长期持有比特币可降低生活成本。2011 年买房需 180 万枚,如今只需 4.7 枚。比特币越存越值钱,美元越花越缩水,所以我存比特币,花美元。


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