Only 3 Points for the Public Chain Moat? Alliance DAO Founder's Remarks Ignite Crypto Community Debate

Odaily星球日报發佈於 2025-12-11更新於 2025-12-11

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In a recent debate sparked by Alliance DAO founder qw (@QwQiao), the crypto community is divided over the "moat" of blockchain technology. Qw controversially rated the moat of L1 public chains at just 3/10, arguing that their defensibility is limited compared to traditional tech and financial giants like Microsoft (10/10), Apple (10/10), or Visa (10/10). He suggested that even top crypto projects only score around 5/10, with Bitcoin being an exception at 9/10 due to its unique founding narrative and Lindy effect. The discussion originated from a Paradigm researcher’s critique that "liquidity is not a moat," which drew mixed reactions. Some, like Dragonfly Capital’s Haseeb, strongly disagreed with qw, pointing to Ethereum’s decade-long dominance despite numerous challengers as proof of a significant moat. Others argued that network effects, trust, and ecosystem maturity are critical moats in crypto. The article explores seven potential components of a public chain’s moat: technical vision, founder influence, developer/user networks, application ecosystems, token market cap, external connectivity, and long-term roadmaps. It concludes that the crypto industry is still too small and nascent to focus heavily on moat analysis—instead, it should prioritize scaling users, capital, and real-world utility.

Original / Odaily Planet Daily (@OdailyChina)

Author / Wenser(@wenser2010)

Recently, Alliance DAO founder qw(@QwQiao) dropped a bombshell opinion: "Blockchain moats are limited," rating the moat of L1 public chains at a mere 3/10.

This statement quickly ignited the overseas crypto circle, sparking heated discussions among crypto VCs, public chain builders, and KOLs. Dragonfly partner Haseeb angrily retorted that rating the "blockchain moat at 3/10" was utterly ridiculous, noting that even Aave founder Santi, who dislikes the industry's gambling tendencies, never believed blockchain "has no moat."

Debates about the meaning, value, and business models of blockchain & cryptocurrency consistently resurface throughout market cycles. The crypto industry constantly oscillates between idealism and reality: people nostalgically yearn for the original decentralized ideals while simultaneously craving the status and recognition of the traditional financial industry, all while being deeply mired in self-doubt about whether it's "just a repackaged casino." The root of all these contradictions perhaps lies in scale—the total market capitalization of the crypto industry has hovered around $3-4 trillion, still appearing minuscule compared to traditional financial giants often worth hundreds of billions or even trillions of dollars.

As practitioners in the industry, everyone harbors a contradictory psychology of both arrogance and inferiority—arrogant about blockchain's birth embodying Satoshi Nakamoto's ideal of de-monetization and decentralized spirit, and about the crypto industry indeed becoming an emerging financial sector that is gradually gaining attention, acceptance, and participation from mainstream forces; the point of inferiority, however, is probably like a poor kid always feeling that what they are doing isn't quite honorable, filled with blood, tears, bitterness, and pain from a zero-sum game where people prey on each other. In short, the limitations of the industry's scale have bred this cyclical identity anxiety, self-doubt, and self-denial.

Today, let's use the topic of "moat business ratings" raised by qw to discuss the existing chronic problems and core advantages of the crypto industry.

Origin of the Debate: Is Liquidity the Moat of the Crypto Industry?

This major industry discussion about "whether the crypto industry has a moat" originally stemmed from a statement by Paradigm team researcher frankie—"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing crypto people that liquidity is a moat."(Odaily Planet Daily Note: Original quote: the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing crypto people that liquidity is a moat.)

It's clear that frankie, a "purebred" VC, somewhat scoffs at the current industry trend of highly推崇 "liquidity is everything." After all, for an investment manager or research expert who holds advantages in capital and information, they often hope their managed funds are spent on projects and businesses with real operational support, capable of generating genuine cash flow and continuously providing financial returns.

This view also gained agreement from many in the comments:

  • Multicoin partner Kyle Samani directly said "+1";
  • Ethereum Foundation member binji believed that "trust is the real moat; even if trust might flow opportunistically in the short term, liquidity will always reside where trust is placed."
  • Chris Reis from Circle's Arc blockchain team also pointed out: "TVL always seems to be the wrong North Star metric (business guiding goal)."
  • Justin Alick from the Aura foundation remarked somewhat jokingly: "Liquidity is like a fickle woman; she might leave you at any time."
  • DeFi researcher Defi peniel stated bluntly: "Relying solely on liquidity is not a moat; hype can disappear overnight."

Of course, many also refuted this—

  • DFDV COO & CIO Parker commented: "What are you talking about? USDT is the worst stablecoin but holds absolute dominance. Bitcoin is the (performance/experience) worst blockchain but holds dominant地位 absolutely."
  • Former Sequoia investor, now Folius Ventures investor KD, simply asked: "Isn't it?"
  • Fabric VC investor Thomas Crow pointed out: "In exchanges, liquidity *is* a moat—the deeper the liquidity, the better the user experience; this is the most important characteristic in this vertical industry, without exception. This is why major innovations in crypto asset trading focus on solving insufficient liquidity (which leads to worse user experience). Examples include Uniswap acquiring liquidity for long-tail assets through LPs, and Pump.Fun attracting pre-token launch liquidity through standardized contracts and bonding curves."
  • Pantera investor Mason Nystrom retweeted and commented: "Liquidity is absolutely a moat." He then provided various examples: Among public chains, Ethereum leads today because of DeFi liquidity (and developers); among CEXs, Binance, Coinbase, etc.; among lending platforms, Aave, MakerDAO; among stablecoins, USDT; among DEXs, Uniswap, Pancakeswap.

Then came the "moat rating" tweet from Alliance DAO founder qw:

In his view, the moat of the blockchain (public chain) itself is very limited, rated only 3/10.

  • He believes Microsoft (key SaaS), Apple (brand + developer ecosystem), Visa/Mastercard (payment network effects), TSMC (IP + physical infrastructure) can score 10/10 (strongest moat);
  • Google (search and AI IP), Amazon (e-commerce network effects + logistics infrastructure), rating agencies like Moody's, S&P, FICO (regulation-driven + brand + rating network effects), large-scale cloud computing (AWS/Azure/GCP etc.) can score 9/10;
  • Meta (social network effects), NVIDIA (IP + CUDA network effects) score 8/10;
  • The best crypto businesses in the crypto industry score 5/10;
  • Public chains (blockchains) score only 3/10 (narrow moat).

qw further stated that a low moat score isn't necessarily bad, but it means teams must continuously lead innovation, otherwise they will be quickly replaced. Later, perhaps feeling the initial rating was too hasty, he added some supplementary ratings in the comments:

  • The 3 major cloud service infrastructure providers score 9/10;
  • BTC's moat scores 9/10 (Odaily Planet Daily Note: qw pointed out that no one can replicate BTC's founding story and the "Lindy Effect," but deducted 1 point because it's unclear if it can handle security budget and quantum threats);
  • Tesla 7/10 (Odaily Planet Daily Note: qw believes automated IP like self-driving is insane, but the car industry is commoditized, and humanoid robots might be similar)
  • Lithography machine manufacturer ASML 10/10.
  • AAVE's moat score might be higher than 5/10, qw's reason: "As a user, you must trust their smart contract security testing is thorough enough not to lose your funds".

Of course, seeing qw so grandly play the "sharp critic," besides debates about the "moat system," some in the comments made unrelated sarcastic remarks, even mentioning: "What about those terrible launch platforms you invested in?" (Odaily Planet Daily Note: After investing in pump.fun, Alliance DAO's subsequent investments in one-click token issuance platforms (like Believe) performed poorly, even he himself didn't want to rate them)

With such a火药味十足 (fireworks-filled) focal topic, Dragonfly partner Haseeb's subsequent angry retort followed.

Dragonfly Partner's Inner OS: Nonsense, I've Never Seen Someone So Shameless

Responding to qw's "moat rating system," Dragonfly partner Haseeb posted angrily: "What? 'Blockchain moat: 3/10'? That's kinda absurd. Even Santi doesn't think public chains 'have no moat'.

Ethereum has held a dominant position for *10 consecutive years*, hundreds of challengers have raised over $10 billion trying to grab market share. After a decade of competitors trying to defeat it, Ethereum has successfully defended its throne every time. If that doesn't indicate Ethereum has a moat, I don't know what a moat is!"

In the comments of this tweet, qw gave his perspective: "You're talking about looking back ('the past ten years') and it's factually incorrect (on multiple metrics Ethereum no longer holds the throne)."

Subsequently, the two exchanged several rounds on "what exactly is a moat?" and "does Ethereum really have a moat", with qw even pulling out a post he made in November, pointing out that the "moat" in his mind is actually revenue/profit. But Haseeb immediately counterargued with examples—once-popular crypto projects like OpenSea, Axie, BitMEX, although they had high revenues, actually had no moat; the real moat should focus on—"can it be replaced by competitors".

Abra Global management director Marissa also joined the discussion: "Agree (with Haseeb). qw's statement is a bit strange—switching costs and network effects can be strong moats—Solana and Ethereum both have these, I think they will be stronger than other public chains over time. They both have strong brands and developer ecosystems, clearly also part of the moat. Maybe he's referring to other public chains that don't have the above advantages."

Haseeb continued, full of sarcasm: "qw is just splitting hairs, asking for trouble."

Based on the above discussion, perhaps we should break down the "real moat" of public chains in the cryptocurrency industry and what aspects it comprises.

The 7 Components of a Public Chain Moat: From People to Business, From Origin to Network

In my opinion, the main reasons why qw's "moat rating system" seems somewhat unable to justify itself are:

First, its rating标准 only looks at current industry status and revenue while ignoring multi-dimensional evaluation. Whether it's infrastructure like Microsoft, Apple, Amazon Web Services, or payment giants like Visa, Mastercard, the main reason qw gives high scores is their strong revenue models, which obviously oversimplifies and superficializes the business moat of a giant company. Moreover, Apple's global market share is not dominant, and payment giants like Visa also face challenges like market shrinkage and regional business decline.

Second, it overlooks the complexity and uniqueness of public chains and crypto projects区别于 (differentiating them from) traditional internet businesses. As challengers to the fiat system, cryptocurrency, blockchain technology, and subsequent public chains and crypto projects立足点 (base themselves) on the inherent "anonymity," "nodality" of decentralized networks, which is often something traditional revenue-driven businesses cannot achieve.

Based on this, I believe the moat of public chain businesses mainly lies in the following 7 aspects, including:

1. Technical Philosophy. This is also the biggest advantage and differentiating feature of the Bitcoin network, Ethereum network, Solana network, and countless public chain projects. As long as humanity remains wary of centralized systems, authoritarian governments, and the fiat system, and accepts the concepts of sovereign individuals and related viewpoints, the real demand for decentralized networks will always exist;

2. Founder Charisma. Satoshi Nakamoto disappeared after inventing Bitcoin and ensuring the Bitcoin network ran smoothly, sitting on tens of billions of dollars in assets but unmoved; from a World of Warcraft enthusiast abused by the game company to Ethereum co-founder, Vitalik resolutely embarked on his decentralized spiritual journey; Solana founder Toly and others were originally elite engineers at US big tech companies but were unwilling to stop there, thus starting their own "capital internet" construction journey, not to mention the various public chains built inheriting the ambition of Meta's Libra network with the Move language. The personal charm and appeal of founders are particularly important in the crypto industry. This is also why countless crypto projects receive VC favor, community追捧 (praise), and capital influx because of their founders, but also fade into obscurity due to founder resignation or accidents. A good founder is the true soul of a public chain乃至 (and even) a crypto project;

3. Developer and User Network. On this point,正如 (just as) the Metcalfe effect and Lindy effect emphasize, the stronger the network effect of something and the longer it exists, the more likely it is to persist. The developer and user network is the cornerstone of public chains and many crypto projects, because developers can be said to be the first and most enduring users of a crypto public chain or project;

4. Application Ecosystem. A tree with roots but no branches and leaves can hardly survive, and the same goes for crypto projects. Therefore, a rich application ecosystem capable of self-closure and synergistic effects is crucial. The reason why public chains like Ethereum and Solana can survive the winter and still exist is inseparable from the various application projects that are always building. Furthermore, the richer the application ecosystem, the more it can continuously generate造血 (blood-making), feeding back to the public chain;

5. Token Market Cap. If the aforementioned are the inner part and foundation of a "moat," then the token market cap is the external form and brand image of a public chain and a crypto project. Only when you "look expensive" will more people believe you "have a lot of money," that you are a "gold mining ground." This is true for individuals, and likewise for projects;

6. Openness to the Outside. Besides building their own internal循环 (circulation) ecosystems, public chains and other crypto projects also need to maintain openness and operability and exchange value with the external environment. Therefore, openness to the outside is also crucial. Taking public chains like Ethereum and Solana as examples, this refers to the convenience and scale of their bridging with traditional finance, user fund inflows/outflows, and various industries through windows like payments and lending;

7. Long-Term Roadmap. A truly solid moat must not only provide support in the short term but also constantly update, iterate, and innovate, maintaining its own vitality and longevity in the long term. For public chains, the long-term roadmap is both a North Star metric and a powerful抓手 (lever) to激励 (incentivize) continuous development and innovation inside and outside the ecosystem. Ethereum's success is closely related to the planning of its long-term roadmap.

Based on the above elements, a public chain can grow from zero to one, from nothing to something, gradually moving through the野蛮生长 (wild growth) period into the mature iteration period. Corresponding liquidity and user stickiness will naturally follow.

Conclusion: The Crypto Industry Has Not Yet Reached the Stage of "Competing on Talent"

Recently, Moore Threads, known as the "Chinese version of NVIDIA," successfully listed on the Hong Kong stock market, achieving a milestone of 300 billion CNY on its first day of trading; then, within just a few days, its stock price soared all the way, reaching another astonishing breakthrough with a market cap exceeding 400 billion CNY today.

Compared to Ethereum, which took 10 years of operation to finally reach a $300 billion market cap, Moore Threads covered 1/7 of that journey in just a few days. And compared to US stock giants often worth trillions, the crypto industry is even more insignificant.

This makes us sigh again that today, with the scale of capital and user involvement far smaller than the financial and internet industries, we are far from the stage of "competing on talent." The only pain point of the crypto industry today is that we don't have enough people, we don't attract enough capital, and the industries involved are not broad enough. Rather than worrying about those grand, all-encompassing "moats," perhaps what we should think about is how cryptocurrency can更快 (faster), lower cost, and more conveniently meet the real needs of more market users.

相關問答

QWhat controversial rating did Alliance DAO founder qw assign to L1 public blockchains' moat, and why did it spark debate?

Aqw assigned a moat rating of only 3/10 to L1 public blockchains, arguing their moat is very limited. This sparked intense debate because many industry leaders, such as Dragonfly's Haseeb, found it absurd, citing Ethereum's decade-long dominance despite numerous well-funded challengers.

QAccording to the article, what did Paradigm researcher frankie criticize as a false belief in crypto, and how did the community respond?

Afrankie criticized the belief that 'liquidity is a moat' as a deceptive notion. The community was divided: some agreed, like Multicoin's Kyle Samani and others emphasizing trust or better metrics, while defenders like DFDV's Parker argued liquidity is crucial, citing examples like USDT and Bitcoin's dominance.

QHow did Dragonfly partner Haseeb counter qw's low moat rating for blockchains?

AHaseeb strongly countered by pointing to Ethereum's sustained dominance for over a decade despite hundreds of competitors raising over $10 billion to challenge it. He argued that if this doesn't constitute a moat, nothing does, emphasizing that a true moat is about being hard to replace.

QWhat are the seven components of a public blockchain's moat as outlined in the article?

AThe seven components are: 1. Technical philosophy, 2. Founder charisma, 3. Developer and user network, 4. Application ecosystem, 5. Token market capitalization, 6. Openness to the outside world, and 7. Long-term roadmap.

QWhat does the article conclude is the crypto industry's main challenge regarding its 'moat' and future growth?

AThe article concludes that the crypto industry's main challenge is its relatively small scale in terms of user adoption and capital compared to traditional finance and internet giants. It argues the focus should be on attracting more users and capital by meeting real market needs quickly, cheaply, and conveniently, rather than worrying about abstract moats.

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Agent S:Web3中自主互動的未來 介紹 在不斷演變的Web3和加密貨幣領域,創新不斷重新定義個人如何與數字平台互動。Agent S是一個開創性的項目,承諾通過其開放的代理框架徹底改變人機互動。Agent S旨在簡化複雜任務,為人工智能(AI)提供變革性的應用,鋪平自主互動的道路。本詳細探索將深入研究該項目的複雜性、其獨特特徵以及對加密貨幣領域的影響。 什麼是Agent S? Agent S是一個突破性的開放代理框架,專門設計用來解決計算機任務自動化中的三個基本挑戰: 獲取特定領域知識:該框架智能地從各種外部知識來源和內部經驗中學習。這種雙重方法使其能夠建立豐富的特定領域知識庫,提升其在任務執行中的表現。 長期任務規劃:Agent S採用經驗增強的分層規劃,這是一種戰略方法,可以有效地分解和執行複雜任務。此特徵顯著提升了其高效和有效地管理多個子任務的能力。 處理動態、不均勻的界面:該項目引入了代理-計算機界面(ACI),這是一種創新的解決方案,增強了代理和用戶之間的互動。利用多模態大型語言模型(MLLMs),Agent S能夠無縫導航和操作各種圖形用戶界面。 通過這些開創性特徵,Agent S提供了一個強大的框架,解決了自動化人機互動中涉及的複雜性,為AI及其他領域的無數應用奠定了基礎。 誰是Agent S的創建者? 儘管Agent S的概念根本上是創新的,但有關其創建者的具體信息仍然難以捉摸。創建者目前尚不清楚,這突顯了該項目的初期階段或戰略選擇將創始成員保密。無論是否匿名,重點仍然在於框架的能力和潛力。 誰是Agent S的投資者? 由於Agent S在加密生態系統中相對較新,關於其投資者和財務支持者的詳細信息並未明確記錄。缺乏對支持該項目的投資基礎或組織的公開見解,引發了對其資金結構和發展路線圖的質疑。了解其支持背景對於評估該項目的可持續性和潛在市場影響至關重要。 Agent S如何運作? Agent S的核心是尖端技術,使其能夠在多種環境中有效運作。其運營模型圍繞幾個關鍵特徵構建: 類人計算機互動:該框架提供先進的AI規劃,力求使與計算機的互動更加直觀。通過模仿人類在任務執行中的行為,承諾提升用戶體驗。 敘事記憶:用於利用高級經驗,Agent S利用敘事記憶來跟蹤任務歷史,從而增強其決策過程。 情節記憶:此特徵為用戶提供逐步指導,使框架能夠在任務展開時提供上下文支持。 支持OpenACI:Agent S能夠在本地運行,使用戶能夠控制其互動和工作流程,與Web3的去中心化理念相一致。 與外部API的輕鬆集成:其多功能性和與各種AI平台的兼容性確保了Agent S能夠無縫融入現有技術生態系統,成為開發者和組織的理想選擇。 這些功能共同促成了Agent S在加密領域的獨特地位,因為它以最小的人類干預自動化複雜的多步任務。隨著項目的發展,其在Web3中的潛在應用可能重新定義數字互動的展開方式。 Agent S的時間線 Agent S的發展和里程碑可以用一個時間線來概括,突顯其重要事件: 2024年9月27日:Agent S的概念在一篇名為《一個像人類一樣使用計算機的開放代理框架》的綜合研究論文中推出,展示了該項目的基礎工作。 2024年10月10日:該研究論文在arXiv上公開,提供了對框架及其基於OSWorld基準的性能評估的深入探索。 2024年10月12日:發布了一個視頻演示,提供了對Agent S能力和特徵的視覺洞察,進一步吸引潛在用戶和投資者。 這些時間線上的標記不僅展示了Agent S的進展,還表明了其對透明度和社區參與的承諾。 有關Agent S的要點 隨著Agent S框架的持續演變,幾個關鍵特徵脫穎而出,強調其創新性和潛力: 創新框架:旨在提供類似人類互動的直觀計算機使用,Agent S為任務自動化帶來了新穎的方法。 自主互動:通過GUI自主與計算機互動的能力標誌著向更智能和高效的計算解決方案邁進了一步。 複雜任務自動化:憑藉其強大的方法論,能夠自動化複雜的多步任務,使過程更快且更少出錯。 持續改進:學習機制使Agent S能夠從過去的經驗中改進,不斷提升其性能和效率。 多功能性:其在OSWorld和WindowsAgentArena等不同操作環境中的適應性確保了它能夠服務於廣泛的應用。 隨著Agent S在Web3和加密領域中的定位,其增強互動能力和自動化過程的潛力標誌著AI技術的一次重大進步。通過其創新框架,Agent S展現了數字互動的未來,為各行各業的用戶承諾提供更無縫和高效的體驗。 結論 Agent S代表了AI與Web3結合的一次大膽飛躍,具有重新定義我們與技術互動方式的能力。儘管仍處於早期階段,但其應用的可能性廣泛且引人入勝。通過其全面的框架解決關鍵挑戰,Agent S旨在將自主互動帶到數字體驗的最前沿。隨著我們深入加密貨幣和去中心化的領域,像Agent S這樣的項目無疑將在塑造技術和人機協作的未來中發揮關鍵作用。

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