Foresight Ventures 联创 White Forest 演讲全文:Web3 生态该如何建设?

foresightnewsОпубліковано о 2024-08-10Востаннє оновлено о 2024-08-11

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我们不应该仅仅围绕 Degen 建设,而是朋友、同事、家人以及他们的感受和需求。

我们不应该仅仅围绕 Degen 建设,而是朋友、同事、家人以及他们的感受和需求。


演讲者:White Forest,Foresight Venture 联合创始人

整理:1912212.eth,Foresight News


8 月 11 日上午,在「FORESIGHT 2024」年度峰会上,Foresight Ventures 联合创始人 White Forest 发表《如何通过 Web3 改变世界》的主题演讲,其部分核心观点如下:

  • 公链生态的三要素:开发者、VC 投资以及消费者。
  • 一个生态想要做得好,需要创造财富效应。
  • Web3 行业的创新中追求的点越来越小,甚至是完全走错了方向,而且缺乏对消费者的关注。大家都在关注的是 Degen 的感受,技术的一些微创新,以及自己以为很酷的东西。这是不对的,因为行业的发展阶段不一样。我们不应该仅仅围绕 Degen,而是 Degen 的朋友、同事、家人以及他们的感受和需求。
  • 行情不好,所以大家对社区的负面声音也比较多,但我绝对不相信 Web3 只有投机与泡沫。
  • ETF 资金暂时难以流入到 Token 市场,我认为只是暂时的。因为之前市场并没有开始降息,美国企业手上现金非常多,它们的盈利状态也非常好,一旦开始降息,大家就会开始去追逐风险资产,所以我相信山寨币还是会出现上升趋势。
  • 一旦资产的发行成本降低,就一定会分散市场的注意力,抽干市场流动性。
  • 我相信不论是中国还是美国,监管都是非常聪明的。它实际上要重新制定规则,重新选择一个好选手获得市场的话语权,然后等待一个时机会逐步去放开。


以下为演讲全文:


我们是一个在亚洲、新加坡、纽约、都有独立办公室和团队的公司,其次我们是资源的拥有者,旗下有四家媒体公司。Foresight News 目前是中文区区块链最大垂直类媒体,The Block 是全球数一数二的媒体。BlockTempo 是台湾第一大媒体,Coinness 是韩国最大的区块链媒体之一。我们投资的愿景,一是非常激进、大胆的去投资行业最大胆的创新,第二是会去跟最优秀的创业团队合作,帮助他们成为赢家。


如何创造一个成功的生态?有可能你做的生态是公链、平台、游戏生态等,但我们可以把一个生态比作一个国家。国家的经济三要素其实就是投资、出口还有消费。这三驾马车一起增长与循环,就能做好经济的发展。


公链生态的三要素:开发者、VC 投资以及消费者。它跟国家经济的发展非常像,所以我们看待问题,有时候会自上而下的去看它的最基础构成是什么,然后寻求如何把事情做成。


一个生态想要做得好,需要创造财富效应。比如说 TON、Base 做得很好。开发者创建好产品,就能吸引很多用户过来消费,然后生态的繁荣进一步吸引资本的投资。生态与生态之间,也跟出口以及换汇一样进行相应的交换。


近半年来,我一个非常深的感触是 Web3 行业的创新中,大家追求的点越来越小。在我看来,甚至是完全走错了方向,而且缺乏对消费者的关注。大家都在关注的是 Degen 的感受,技术的一些微创新,以及自己以为很酷的东西。这是不对的,因为行业的发展阶段不一样。我们不应该仅仅围绕 Degen,而是 Degen 的朋友、同事、家人以及他们的感受和需求。


为什么说阶段不一样?上一轮牛市周期,整个区块链用户数从百万级别升至千万级甚至到 1 个亿量级,这段时期需要行业先锋 Degen 这类型的人去推动,但现在我们有了 1 个亿用户,但不可能有 1 个亿的 Degen,我们应该面向更多人去创造需求对应的产品,找到产品的 PMF。


行情不好,所以大家对社区的负面声音也比较多,但我绝对不相信 Web3 只有投机与泡沫。


我的一个阿根廷同事说,在阿根廷想要去申请信用卡几乎不可能,但现在加密货币就能解决这些实实在在的日常消费、转账、支付等问题。我列举的这些都是围绕一个主题,就是寻找增量用户,游戏、信用卡、稳定币、链下都可以是。并且信用卡其实跟稳定币是一样大小的,只是现在还没有那么大的公司出现。


行业需要新的增长引擎,我觉得现在投资人对于创业方向押注方向有些错误,还是在找一些非常微小的创新,模式创新。比如 uniswap 所有的公式改一个参数,或者说做越来越像绣花一样的操作,这不是商业的模式,也不符合大众需求的思路。


如果大家还是都这么做的话,我相信投资者大部分到时候就会亏钱,也阻碍行业的发展。所以我们要转向寻找真正大的 PMF,而不是说只为几千个几百个人提供一些自嗨型现象,我们的目标是几亿用户。


第二点,ETF 资金暂时难以流入到 Token 市场,我认为只是暂时的。因为之前市场并没有开始降息,美国企业手上现金非常多,它们的盈利状态也非常好,一旦开始降息,大家就会开始去追逐风险资产,所以我相信山寨币还是会出现上升趋势。


第三点,资产发行门槛降低,供给侧泛滥。它们都放弃很好的产品,拥有很好的泡沫片段,但其实一旦资产的发行成本降低,就一定会分散市场的注意力,抽干市场流动性。作为用户去买上面所谓的币,并不是一个很好的投资。所以要及时逃离垃圾市场。


美国现在的监管压力其实非常大,这个时候就需要去做差异化,机会有可能就会出现。我相信不论是中国还是美国,监管都是非常聪明的。它实际上要重新制定规则,重新选择一个好选手获得市场的话语权,然后等待一个时机会逐步去放开。


可能大家都在讨论上一轮的 Jump 等机构都在退场,冬去春来会有新的机构在路上。而且我们看到新机构、传统资金、大规模资金在迅速成交。


应用方面,都在想解决获客的难题。客源来自哪?


Telegram 有 9 亿多用户,哪怕你只能转化 1%,那也有 900 多万用户。交易所钱包都有一些存量用户在那里,可能就需要跟他们去合作,然后线下场景比如说便利店、酒店、商场等,都在探索 Token 式会员。


发展中国家,比如阿根廷等南美洲或者非洲,本身基础设施薄弱,可以找到机会。就像当年的 Libra 愿景一样,要给所有发展中国家重建货币体系。


我们做投资,用世界观和历史观去看待问题,同方向的竞争一定是死路一条,只有差异化竞争才有可能成功。这也会非常困难,甚至困难 100 倍。这是你成功唯一的办法。你看拼多多为什么成功?因为很多人模仿阿里想要做消费升级,只有拼多多做的消费降级。你不用去跟它做同位置竞争,甚至可以走完全相反的方向,是有可能成功的。比如索尼相机能够抓拍川普倍枪击的照片,性能非常好。徕卡根本就没有自动对焦这个功能,它没有去跟索尼去拼性能。很多时候,换一个方向,可能就是破局之道。


最好的当然是尽量去开创一个全新领域,比如 Celestia 开创了模块化,Uniswap 开创了 DeFi 等。开创新领域会产生最大的 alpha,所以创业者可能需要去思考。



成功有两种路径,第一种是乔丹路径,作为运动员,跟别人竞争,一直想要做到最好,也不害怕竞争。我更喜欢第二种,不要是跟别人竞争,发现复利全新的空间,这其实就很聪明。就像我上面说过的,你没办法跟阿里做消费升级,但是你可以做消费降级。创业者也可以用第二条路去思考问题。


最后谈谈如果你想成为潜在的成功创业者,需要具备三点条件,一是认知、二是组建团队的能力,三是你的意志。


什么是认知,认识来源不断地学习,不断用原来的背景以及技能,而且在某种程度上你要放弃过去的认知。因为进入全新的行业,没人知道该怎么做,你也不知道则怎么做。


第二点就是组建团队的能力,尤其是作为初创,团队其实没那么多钱,我不建议砸很多的钱去招募团队,而是用你的愿景、想做的东西去找一些跟你真正志同道合互相认同的人。然后大家好的班子辛辛苦苦睡在办公室这样子去创业,我觉得这样子是成功率相对更高的团队。你也不需要把所有的团队都搭起来,有一个够用的团队就行了。而且很多创始人可能原来的背景并没有创过业,就可能什么事都想干或者亲自干,其实应该去找最适合干这个事情的人。你是做产品的,BD 就找别人,生态、融资都可以找别人,因为你不可能是全知全能的。


第三点是意志。拼到最后,聪明勤奋都差不多,其实最后拼的还是意志力。因为创业肯定是不断地遇到困难,外部的不确定性,市场的崩溃等,这些东西在加密领域尤其跟你的创业状况息息相关,跟传统的还不太一样,遇到这种情况应该怎么去做,需要的就是大家的意志。


我们的一个被投项目,刚融完资的第二三天,他的联合创始人就开始要闹分家。很多投资人都撤资了,我就说希望给他一周时间,看看他会怎么做。他一周时间不到,就重新组织了团队,并把原来的那个踢走了。我觉得这就是非常有韧性、非常有意志力,我们也在继续支持他。因为你不可能一帆风顺。


最后谢谢大家能够过来参与本次活动。

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